happy friday, everybody. i'm chris jansing live from washington, d.c. could georgia have been just one piece of a massive multistate plan to overturn the 2020 election? well, "the washington post" latest reporting on where the fulton county d.a.'s investigation into trump has taken her and where it may go

next. plus, florida governor ron desantis trying to prove he can go toe to toe and punch for punch against trump, so was he willing to go there in front of voters in south carolina where the former president is beating him by 20 points. we'll let you know in just a minute. and president biden will celebrate the bipartisan debt bill with a nationwide address tonight less than 24 hours after the senate agreed to raise the debt limit. will the country give him credit for taking economic catastrophe off the table? but first, some extraordinary new reporting that the georgia investigation into donald trump's alleged interference in the 2020 election is far bigger than we ever knew before, and could mean a precedent setting case. "the washington post" reporting that d.a. fani willis's probe has, quote, broadened to include activities in washington, d.c., and several other states, a fresh sign that prosecutors may be building a sprawling case under georgia's racketeering

laws. that's according to two people with knowledge of the investigation. nbc news has not confirmed this reporting and former president trump continues to maintain he did nothing wrong, but as this and several other investigations appear to be heating up and with more and more rivals entering the 2024 race, what are the legal and political implications for trump. ken dilanian is nbc's justice and intelligence correspondent, carol leonnig in the national reporter for "the washington post," and joining me here at the table is paul butler, a former federal prosecutor, both carol and paul are msnbc contributors. so carol, your papers report that fani willis may use a tool originally created to combat organized crime, rico laws, puts this case at a whole new level potentially. take us through what you know, carol. >> you know, fani willis has said -- or i should say she has confided to confidants and allies that she was considering a rico case for many, many

months. a rico case is essentially used most likely for drug cartels, for mobsters, that's where it started was mobsters, especially in new york. and it is federal law and also state law. it happens to be that in georgia, the rico statutes are incredibly broad in addition to less strict, i would say, than federal rico laws. the standards are a little lower than what she can bring into court, and it sounds from our reporters that she is gathering evidence and her team is gathering evidence that sprawls across the nation looking at the broader effort by donald trump and his allies to basically keep him at power to overturn the election results. you and all of your listeners know very well what some of those efforts were. the question is are they part of

a criminal conspiracy, and will fani willis charge such a criminal conspiracy against the president, former president and his allies. i would also add one more thing, chris, which i know that you will smartly ask later if i forget to mention it, racketeering and conspiracy are some of the best tools in a prosecutor's tool kit because all you have to prove is essentially that people got together and agreed to engage in a fraud and agreed to engage in a conspiracy. you don't have to show that they pulled it off. you don't have to show that everybody, every single person agreed to every piece or knew about every piece. it doesn't have to have succeeded this conspiracy, but it is an important, important tool for federal and now fani willis, federal prosecutors and her as well. >> so paul, i think it's an

understatement to say this is high stakes stuff, high stakes decisions that fani willis is going to have to make. as you read the georgia rico law, how does it apply? do you think it applies potentially to something much bigger? >> it does. georgia has one of the most expansive rico laws in the country, and d.a. willis has not been reticent about using it. she famously brought a racketeers case against school teachers who were implicated in a cheating scandal. so under the georgia law all she has to do is prove two violations of either federal or state law. i suspect that she may want to bring in evidence from other states to tell a complete story. she doesn't have to persuade the jury about all those other instances. just two. it's still somewhat of a complicated prosecution. the big decision will be whether she wants to go big and expansive with a rico prosecution or whether she wants to keep it simple with something

like election interference. >> if you get to a experience it's not likely -- or tell me, maybe i'm wrong, it's not likely to be about one person, in this case maybe donald trump, but could it be not just larger in terms of the number of states it covers but also in terms of the number of people it could cover. >> that's exactly right. and what d.a. willis might want to let the country know is, yes, trump in her view committed a crime in georgia, but this isn't a simple kind of straightforward state case. this is huge. this would be historic, and so i think she wants the indictment to read like this is the case that had to be brought because she's going to get a lot of political pressure, including in georgia to not bring charges meanwhile, the mar-a-lago classified documents appears to be heating up. he got pretty defensive when he was asked about reports that the special counsel had recorded conversations, which trump allegedly admits to having

classified documents. here's what he said. >> so you don't know anything about it? >> all i know is this, everything i did was right. mar-a-lago is a fort. this is about election interference. it's a continuation of the greatest witch hunt of all time, it's a hoax. >> does i don't know anything about it constitute a defense? >> it more constitutes a confession. prosecutors with look at this as a confession that trump knew that he maintained classified documents. so that forces him to abandon him first defense which was that he declassified everything. if this audio tape is correct, that was just a lie, and this defense that everything i did was right, chris, it makes even less sense. trump hoarded thousands of documents in direct violation of the presidential records act, and he's also got exposure for the espionage act, a federal 10-year felony, which makes it a crime to maintain documents

after they've been requested back from the government. >> so let me talk to you about this "new york times" report that special counsel jack smith and his team have been exploring, the documents case from multiple angles. here's another case of something bigger that maybe we understood, incluing examining whether there are links. they are also scrutinizing whether his employees sought to interfere with the government's attempt to obtain security camera footage from mar-a-lago. what are we looking at in terms of potential violations, charges here? >> so once again, the espionage act. but what prosecutors do classically is to follow the money. so a question that jack smith is investigating is, okay, what did trump want to do with all of these materials that smith thinks he was illegally hoarding? was it just show off for his friends, which is kind of what he's doing on that audio tape, or was there a nefarious purpose

by either selling these secrets to foreign governments or corporations. again, it sounds very sinister, but prosecutors have to investigate all angles. >> meantime, ken, nbc has brand new reporting that former vice president mike pence will not be charged in the case of classified documents found at his home. what more can you tell us about that decision? >> that's right, chris, our colleague laura jarrett breaking this news this morning that the pence team got a letter from the justice department yesterday saying this case was being closed without charges, and we also learned that mike pence was interviewed as part of this investigation. it's quite a fortuitous time for this to happen for both sides really because mike pence is poised to announce his presidential campaign, which would have put great pressure on the justice department to name a special counsel in that case if it was going forward, but it's not. it's closed. no charges. the other case of a senior official, president biden having classified documents found at his house, as far as we know, that case remains open.

we have no reason to believe that one was closed. remember that pence earlier this year announced he had found some limited number of classified documents at his home in indiana and that the fbi then engaged in a search that was voluntary to see what else was there. no charges in that case. biden case still open, and the trump documents case very much appearing to come to a conclusion, chris. >> so carol, you reported on the classified documents case involving joe biden, and i know carol leonnig, so i know that even though there may have been no public reporting about where that might be, you've stayed on top of it. have you heard any rumblings that the biden case may beclose to a conclusion or where that investigation might be in general? >> you know, chris, nice try. if we're going to report something, we'll report it in "the washington post," but i will help you out on your question by essentially saying that, you know, it is clear that the biden case is a little more complicated than the pence one, and obviously much cleaner and simpler than that of one in

which jack smith is moving towards a charging decision involving donald trump. as much as donald trump likes to say that he's being treated differently than joe biden, the critical difference is how joe biden and donald trump treated the justice department. there is extensive evidence that donald trump tried to conceal or direct others to withhold classified records which were then found in an unannounced search of his property in florida, and there is clear evidence confirmed by multiple sources that when joe biden's lawyers found things that had classified markings inside biden's retained documents, when they found that, they immediately reported it to the national archives and ultimately turned everything over to the department of justice. of course this is more complex for biden. why? because biden had a pattern and practice, apparently, of reviewing and storing a lot of

these documents. why did he have so many that had classified markings on them. he's the current president. was it sloppiness, was it a failure to pack up his office with some care. we don't know but that's what federal prosecutors continue to try to nail down. they have a duty to make sure they're being told the truth, even though it is the current commander in chief they're reviewing. >> i'm interpreting that answer to mean there will be no by line on the biden documents in "the washington post" in the next couple of days, but then again, i could always be wrong on that. carol leonnig, ken dilanian, paul butler, thanks so much. in the words of one trump ally, if you want to see nasty stay tuned. how the campaign battle is ramping up dramatically. we're back in 60 seconds. secons the game changing new plan that lets her pick exactly what she wants, and save on every perk. sadie's getting her plan ready for a big trip. travel pass, on.

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sharper focus today with sharp being the operative word. take a look at these headlines describing the escalating battle between donald trump and ron desantis as open warfare and a political slug fest that's only going to get nastier as the summer wears on. the two candidates have been trading political punches essentially every day this week. sometimes every couple of hours. trump ripping desantis for everything from his war on woke to the pronunciation of his last name. desantis doing what he can to prove he can take it and dish it out. >> you really need a very disciplined, energetic president willing to spit nails and fight the needed battles every single day for eight years. >> when i heard desanctus go out and say -- talk about eight years, we need eight years. you don't need eight years. you need six months. we can turn this thing around so quickly. if you need eight years, who the hell wants to wait eight years, you don't need eight years.

>> governor, do you think it's a mistake for former president trump to say he can turn around the country in six months. >> i said to tame the deep state, you need two terms. he's not going to be able to nix the deep state in six months. he had four years. he didn't make a dent in it, give me a break. >> doug hye is a republican strategist and former communications director for the rnc, and he is here with me on set. you know, we've talked for a long time, you and i doug on this program about whether someone would actually come and take on trump. a lot of people doubted that it would be ron desantis, but seems to be amping things up. is this what taking trump on looks like? >> it does, and if we're having this conversation not three months ago but three weeks ago, there were a lot of people saying what is ron desantis waiting for. he was waiting to become a candidate. it's a very different thing when you're a candidate in theory and an actually announced candidate. desantis knows the nomination for the republican party given where the poll numbers are and what the recent history is, you don't go around donald trump. you don't hope to avoid his

gaze. you've got to confront darth vader head onand that's what he's doing. it didn't work for republicans in 2016, in part they didn't take him seriously enough soon enough. >> i've also got dasha burns who is following governor desantis in south carolina. so dasha, one of the challenges obviously for desantis is how to take on trump but also not alienate his voters. how's he doing or what's the strategy in terms of walking that line? >> reporter: well, the way he's threading the needle right now, and he's speaking behind me at the moment talking to voters here in south carolina, is in these speeches where he's addressing voters directly, he is not calling trump out by name. he is maybe alluding to the former president in the sort of past versus future like subtle jabs, but he's not talking about him when he's talking to voters. when he is going to take trump head on is when he gets asked about him by the press, when he gets talked about by the press about the criticism trump is

leveling at him. that is when he is not afraid to clap back, and that's what he had said to us just this week at the fist press conference that he held. the press asked him, what are you going to do. how are you going to tackle the trump problem. he said when i get attacked, i'm going to respond. that is exactly what we've seen from him. when i talk to voters and ask about this tit for tat between the two of them, voters aren't loving it so much. take a listen to what i heard. >> i think desantis -- let him do what he's doing. >> and do his own thing? >> right. let desantis be the bigger person. >> put yourself above all of that nonsense. you have to fight back to some degree on the things that might be really important to the voters, but some of the stuff just gets out of control. >> reporter: so it's going to be a tough line to walk here, but it's one he's going to have to do because that's just the reality. trump is a juggernaut in this

race, and if desantis wants to close that gap in polling, he's going to have to find his footing and find it very quickly. we are seeing this week a massive shift from before he entered this race to now him being a candidate, a very different tone when it comes to his toughest opponent here. >> i see him right shoulder over your shoulder giving his stump speech. he was on a radio show, i think it was last night, and he was asked about trump's penchant for giving people nicknames. here's what he said. >> what's your reaction to attacks like that even on your name? do you think that's sort of beneath the former president or is that what you expect? >> i think it's so petty. i think it's so juvenile. i don't think that's what voters want, and honestly, i think that his conduct, which he's been doing for years now, i think that's one of the reasons he's not in the white house now. because i think he alienated too many voters for things that really don't matter. so i don't get in the gutter on any of that. now, look, we do have substantive differences and i think president trump did a lot of great things, and i still

give him credit for the great things he did, but he's attacking me on policy where we have a disagreement, and i'm the one that's in the right on this. >> very simply, doug, i'm the one that's in the right on this. i'm wondering as you talk to republicans how they feel about this strategy. if you call donald trump petty and juvenile, are you likely to connect with more republican primary voters or alienate more primary voters. >> somebody who has to spell my name and pronounce my name correctly for people every day of my life, name pronunciation is a very critical issue. what desantis is getting at, the keyword is substantive. he doesn't want to go for the tit for tat back and forth with donald trump. he wants to talk about policy. desantis is trying to position himself as a trump with substance. that may be successful, may not be successful. that's the key difference here. you're not going to see desantis, whether you like how he campaigns or not, giving people a bunch of nicknames or doing the juvenile stuff we've seen donald trump do and really do well.

it's a different way of campaigning. >> let me ask you about one more possible candidate by the name of liz cheney, she has said from the beginning when she got voted out of congress, she's going to make it her business to make sure donald trump does not get reelected and this week says i'm not ruling out a run. what do you think the chances are she gets in, and if she does jump in, what could be her impact on the race? >> if she gets in, she's going to get a lot of media attention. she's very skilled at how she delivers a message. she's also realistic as she was in her congressional race about what her chances might be and how the party receives her. the party's changed so much. we can't believe a cheney would be drummed out of a congressional seat. she's going to make the case directly about donald trump. she's going to focus on donald trump not just first and foremost, but almost exclusively to try and take him down because she feels he's an existential threat. >> you sound like you think she's getting in. >> i'm a liz cheney fan. >> doug heye or is it hey.

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at this hour, white house staff are getting the documents together and pens at the ready now that congress has managed to avoid a catastrophic default in the 11th hour. president biden says he'll sign the debt ceiling bill as soon as possible, and in the meantime, he'll prep for a victory lap in the prime time address to the american people that's happening in just a few hours. i want to bring in nbc news white house correspondent monica alba, nbc's ali vitali from capitol hill, also with us msnbc political contributor maria kumar. good to see all of you. i'm pretty sure i heard the sigh of relief in washington as you were reporting late last night on the bill passing. >> oh, you heard that? >> what was that, was that the wind? but besides the obvious relief, i mean, what was the mood, what is the mood? does this tell us anything at all about any future ability to

get things done? >> i don't know if it's anything about future ability, but certainly this was the debacle that everyone was looking ahead to after what mccarthy had to do to become speaker. we knew this was the battle that was brewing even then. we weren't sure when the debt ceiling x date would be at that point. we knew this was going to be a test for mccarthy, a test for how washington reacted to divided government, and now at least we see how it worked out on this debt ceiling deal. weeks of negotiation here on capitol hill. we know from talking to negotiators there were moments where this fell apart. there were moments where trips to chipotle were the thing that kept these guys at the table and then ultimately last night all it took was 11 amendment votes that went late into the night for the senate to be able to do its job on this, chris, and ultimately pass it. this was how senator schumer was after that sigh of relief talking to reporters here last night. watch. >> now, democrats are feeling

very good tonight. we've saved the country from the scourge of default, even though there were some on the other side who wanted default, wanted to lead us to default. we may be a little tired, but we did it, so we're very, very happy. default was the giant sword hanging over america's head. >> reporter: and look, i think what's stunning here is we know the president is going to speak later tonight, but by and large, we have seen republicans do the bulk of the messaging here on this, speaker kevin mccarthy at every turn would leave the white house, talk to reporters there, come back to the hill, talk to reporters more here. he was constantly out doing messaging even as this deal was being negotiated. this is now an opportunity, democrats in recent weeks have really stepped up their visibility on this. now it's an opportunity for the president himself to take credit for the deal that was brokered by his top deputies and allies, veteran negotiators here on capitol hill with aides and

allies of speaker mccarthy. this took weeks and now it ends, you know, last night late in the night, not with a bang, but with a whimper, 11 rounds of amendment votes and getting this done early enough to actually have a weekend too for senators. >> okay, so monica, what can we expect to hear from president biden tonight? >> well, i think the venue tells you a lot about what he may say tonight, chris. the fact that he is choosing to have his very first oval office address in his presidency to address this is really meant to convey the seriousness of the issue, that yes, both sides came together to accomplish this, due to the days of negotiation that we saw from the white house together at times where it didn't even seem like it was going to coalesce and then it did. and the president didn't want to come out and talk about that until really this was more of a done deal. the fact that he's going to be discussing how closely the united states came to the brink when it comes to this potentially severe economic

catastrophe i think also signals to you that it won't just be a victory lap. it will also be a warning, a kind of cautionary tale about what can happen when government doesn't really work if this had gone in a different direction. so we got a little bit of a preview perhaps of the economic message the president is going to bring to this given his statement he released on the may jobs numbers that were quite encouraging and clearly, when you talk about the broad themes here, he wrote it protects the core pillars of my investing in america agenda creating good jobs across the country, fueling a resurgence in manufacturing, and advancing clean energy. those are the things that are in this deal that the president will likely sign into law pretty soon here. he also talked specifically about safeguarding people's health care in retirement, security, protecting bedrock programs like that social security, medicare and medicaid, which weren't touched in this deal and protecting the student debt relief plan. basically the president is going to outline everything he feels he was able to protect priority

wise in this agreement while, again, talking about the big picture, economic implications. and remember, chris, it was that credit agency rating fitch that still has the u.s. on this watch negative. so it's not likely that the u.s. credit rating is going to be downgraded as a result of this because we are going to avoid default, but it's still through the third quarter going to be lingering over all of this fitch wrote in a statement earlier today because basically the degradation of governance in this country over the last decade or so has been that bad. so i think we're going to hear a little bit from the president tonight on what was avoided luckily, but still some of the major issues here as the white house sees it, but the president will be pleased, of course, to sign this into law as quickly as he can to make sure that a recession isn't triggered, chris. >> for better or worse, maria, look, there was a lot of talk, particularly by progressives, by other democrats about the things he was not able to protect. there's unhappiness about curbs on government spending, new work

requirements for food stamp recipients for starters. in this national address tonight, how does president biden sell this not so much as best we could get but a real win? >> well, so i want to put on my former hill staffer where i had to negotiate appropriations back in the day. we won't count how many years ago that was, chris, but this is actually what a negotiation looks like. neither side is supposed to be fully happy, but you're supposed to be able to find common wins and that's when the president delivered. at the end of the day, going into negotiations what he wanted to protect above all else were his signature pieces of legislation, where we're talking about the american rescue plan, where we're talking about ira or whether we're talking about chips. none of that was touched. that's a huge win for him. when you look at who is now going to have to show proof of work permits, it's going to be people for whatever reason they decided was individuals that are between the ages of 50 to 54.

who is that going to hurt most, the republican base in ruby red states, so now the democrats in ruby red states have something to show of who was the party that was not there for you. these are the same individuals right now, the same americans who may have lost their job, who are basically being promised that their job is coming back and they're going to have to retool, and the republicans have nothing to say for it. i think that part of this negotiation that we should also highlight is he secured something that is very important. that is a two-year debt ceiling relief. so he in the throws of the next election does not have to go and face whether or not the government's going to function the next day, but it also speaks to this idea that we're also telling individuals globally that the united states has their act together, and for the next two years we are promising to build our debts. and it allows our -- you know, our rating on the international scale to recognize like, yes, we've been bumpy for the last ten years, but we do have

solutions, and we can still work together. mccarthy gets a temporary lap around saying that he won, but at the end of the day, the president was able to secure his signature packages, while at the same time creating vulnerabilities for the republicans in red states because their base voter is now going to face a different decision that is kitchen table of whether or not they can make ends meet. >> this got done, the bottom line is as you say it got done, and it's been interesting because i've been in washington for several days now. i've had a lot of conversations with democrats boast pro-biden and others who are maybe a little less pro-biden, and among all of them, there's this kind of growing frustration that they acknowledge he keeps delivering but his approval ratings are still under water. why do you think it is that president biden can't seem to breakthrough the narrative? >> you know, it's one of those things that i find really interesting because at the national level whether you're opening up "the new york times," "the washington post," tuning in to msnbc, those are absolutely

the case, but when you see the surrogates of the president, whether we're talking about vice president kamala harris, pete buttigieg and so on, at the local level, when they talk about opening up a new factory or when they talk about a new insulin relief program at the local level, those media narratives are breaking through. and so my guess is that for the next 18 months what we're going to see is more fanning out of the cabinet secretaries and of the vice president selling the agenda at the local level and trying to recognize that the reason that there is that new job or that you do have economic relief when it comes to accessing medicare is because of the transformational programs the president has done. so i would say for the last two years the challenge of the president was that he had to rebuild in the middle of a pandemic and his cabinet secretaries had to rebuild institutions that were really fractured and gutted under trump. so i would say that -- i would -- there was no red wave that everybody promised shows

that american people, the voters are paying attention and for the next 18 months it's going to be absolutely messaging. that's why it was so important for him to make sure that the republican debt deal and the negotiations that just took place did not gut his signature programs. >> maria theresa kumar, monica alba, ali vitali, thank you all very much. once the debt ceiling drama ended, wall street started bracing for the jobs report, well, it's out and crushing expectations. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. reports" onlony msnbc ♪♪ ♪ a bunch of dead guys made up work, way back when. ♪ ♪ it's our turn now we'll make it up again. ♪ ♪ we'll build freelance teams with more agility. ♪ ♪ the old way of working is deader than me. ♪ ♪ we'll scale up, and we'll scale down ♪ ♪ before you're six feet underground. ♪ ♪ yes, this is how, this is how we work now. ♪

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this weekend will be really the first major gathering of republican presidential hopefuls, eight of them, more than we've ever seen together before. the place, the iowa state fairgrounds, the mood, highly competitive. and the theme, well, officially it's called roast and ride, but the des moines register more colorfully calls it a chance for candidates to ride motorcycles, flip pork and roast president biden. one notable no-show, donald trump who hasn't attended the event since his first go-round as a candidate back in 2016. i want to bring in nbc's vaughn hillyard who's live in des moines, doug heye is also with us. set the stage for us. how big a deal is this for voters but of course for candidates who have that old saying, one chance to make a first impression?

>> reporter: right, the roast and ride is special. it's very much an iowa tradition. you've got the governor, the senator, very much walking around milling about and you should expect that from the candidates as well. it's notable that the former president himself is not going to be there because mike pence, tim scott, nikki haley, ron desantis, asa hutchinson, they will all be among those presidential or soon to be presidential contenders participating, and you know, there's a very human element to this. we talk about retail politics and ultimately in the end how much of a difference does it make? well, you know, you go back to rick santorum, mike huckabee, ted cruz, all three of those candidates that barn storm the state were those types of folks who were not the front runners when they started. they connected with the republican electorate hear. donald trump was a little bit of a different ilk of course. this is a moment much like 2015. carly fiorina, we were waiting for her moment to pop. she was somebody who was really

connecting on the stages at these type of cattle call events where the crowd was responsive and the word around the state was carly fiorina, she's got something going for her. she went up in the polls. much like ben carson. yes, they went down in the polls. we're talking about a big eight months ahead. this is that first major event in the state of iowa host bid senator joni ernst that's going to bring them together in front of the same crowd and i think this weekend will be a good indicator. i'm interested in the conversations we're going to have with voters tomorrow. we can report back to you next week on what those conversations look like, but just the receptiveness and whether folks are opening to turning away from donald trump, chris. >> i'm looking forward to that too, and doug, i mean, buzz is a big deal. i mean, you can build on that. so how do these candidates take advantage of it? >> well, you know, i'm old enough that i have an iowa straw poll 2012 t-shirt in my closet. and who won that straw poll was michelle bachman, what republicans need to do, democrats when the iowa caucus

led the democratic process as well. be as present as possible. so much of what we talk about with campaigns are about data mining, how you reach voters digitally, how you advertise to them on television. iowa's different. you need to be all over the state, not just in places like des moines and sioux city, but in winterset where john wayne was born. you need to be in emmitsburg in the northwestern part of the state near the minnesota border. ron desantis has said he's going to go to all 99 counties. rick santorum did that in 2012. it helped him win, but one thing that we should be mindful of with the iowa caucus, winning is very important in iowa, but it's not about who wins iowa per se. it's about who emerges from it. iowa is the beginning of a win winnowing of a process. >> let's talk about winnowing. next week pence and christi bergum, chris sununu is also talking about it, he was on fox

news yesterday saying the toughest call for candidates is not when to get in, but it's when to get out. take a listen. >> what i've learned is you can't tell candidates not to get in. folks who want to get in get in. the discipline is all about getting out and not waiting until march of april of next year. november or december of this year, if you're not polling well, get your butt out of this race. i think that's going to be the discipline, not just for the candidates but for the donor base. they have to tell their candidates to get out. >> yeah, fair to the process, but what he's really saying is we need to stop having so many people who are going to divide the no trump vote, right? >> that's clearly the lesson that sununu and others should have learned from the 2016 races where we saw too many republicans stay in. look, all these republicans who are getting in at this point, they're getting in because they see a donald trump who's vulnerable. yes, he's leading in the polls and he's got a strong lead right now over desantis, but

republicans see so many vulnerabilities around trump and that he's significantly older than when he first ran, they're getting in. if we have this many candidates after iowa and certainly after new hampshire, that creates a very real problem. >> doug heye, vaughn hillyard who will be, i don't know, eating burgers, flipping pork this week. thank you both very much. and still ahead, new video of that moment that an apartment building suddenly collapses in iowa with people inside. we'll hear from one man who says he spent months warning that the place was a death trap. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. and now she's got myplan. the game changing new plan that lets her pick exactly what she wants, and save on every perk. sadie's getting her plan ready for a big trip. travel pass, on. nice iphone 14 pro! cute couple. trips don't last forever. neither does summer love. so, sadie's moving on. apple music? check. introducing myplan. the first and only unlimited plan to give you exactly what you want, so you only pay for what you need.

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rate went up to 3.7% compared to 3.4% in the month prior, and the reason for that is because these numbers come from two different surveys. this comes from a survey of employers. this comes from a survey of average people. so that might explain some of the discrepancy, although we're wondering why could there be such a big gap between those things. when we unpack this, either way we saw broad-based gains across many different types of industries, professional and business services up 64,000, leisure and hospitality adding 48,000, and then retail trade, think of jobs at the mall adding about 12,000 jobs in the month, chris. >> okay. how could it impact the feds upcoming meeting on interest rates or might it not impact it at all? >> the expectation is that with the jobs market still looking very strong, maybe it makes them actually think about another interest rate hike, which would not end the cycle of brutal interest rate hikes that we've already seen over the last year or so. so for what it's worth, the federal reserve watching this number right here, 4.3%, that's the increase in average hourly

earnings. that sounds okay year-over-year, but when you consider that inflation right now, 4.9%, that's how much more expensive things are at the store compared to this time a year ago. wages going up, inflation still high, the fed wants to get those things closer into balance, chris. >> brian cheung, always good to have you on the program, thank you. some of the fastest growing suburbs in arizona are going to have a harder time developing tr now on. the city announced it will not be approving most new housing developments on the edges of phoenix because of years of drought and overuse of the water supply. if developers can find recycled or surface water to use for their projects they can still build new homes, but new homes that use ground water are now off the table. governor katie hobbs stressed that the state isn't running out of water entirely, but says everyone who already has water and preapproved projects can keep their supply. still ahead, too close for comfort, the troubling trend that has officials worried and

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there's a new warning for families heading out to national parks this summer, don't get too close to the wildlife. officials say that perfect picture you're hoping to snap for social media just isn't worth it.

nbc's erin mclaughlin has more. >> reporter: yellowstone national park, relief after this near disaster and a warning to summer tourists. >> a buffalo could have kicked all that you are butts pretty easily and ate grass three minutes later and not even been worried about it. >> reporter: a harrowing encounter as a woman reaches out posing for a photo and then wildlife experts say it's the latest example of a troubling trend, tourists getting too close, some looking for that picture perfect moment. >> by taking selfies, we put them in danger, by getting close we put them in danger. >> reporter: this week a yellowstone park visitor pleaded guilty to a federal charge of disturbing wildlife and was fined a thousand dollars for helping a baby bison cross a river, which park staff allege possibly prompted the herd to reject the calf. according to park officials, the abandoned bison baby was eventually euthanized because it was causing a hazardous

situation by approaching cars and people. the park now reminding visitors to stay at least 100 yards away from wolves and bears, and at least 25 yards away from bison. >> we've really got to double down on our understanding of how to coexist with them. >> reporter: to call to educate and to enjoy wildlife from a distance avoiding close calls like this one. even mclaughlin, nbc news. >> keep a big distance. we've got a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports," let's get right to it. ♪♪ at this hour, sky high prices, summer flight bookings have jumped 200 % from this time last year with the cost of international flights up by 30%. tips for the busy travel season ahead. and caught on camera, a former fbi